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What should he be charged with?

Well he at least arguably tried to kill Kyle. He had a gun pulled out. He knew Kyle was going to the police. His friend said he regretted not killing Kyle.

So, in non-technical-ese:

  • trying to kill kyle
  • endangerment? was he being responsible with that gun?
  • what about just HAVING the gun?

and isn't he an organizer?

  • recklessly endangering EVERYONE involved in rioting
  • organizing rioting
  • what was he doing in Kenosha? He's a Wisconsin resident, yes, but why in Kenosha?

Grosskreutz should be removed from his university

it's what they try to do.

but which one is it?

Grosskreutz is a senior at Northland College in Ashland and has an anticipated graduation date of December 2020, according to the registrar’s office at the college. (link)

More comments & info

  • “He should be arrested but he wasn't a convicted felon. He was charged with a felony and took a guilty plea that lowered it to a misdomeaner. He claims to have a permit. Either way that was a blatent execution attempt for an agenda.” (twitter)



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it's stated that funds here will be transferred to the fund as per the instruction of Kyle's mother. (see update #1)

Your employer may be willing to match donations if you ask, depending on your employer. may help get around controlling credit card companies.


Insider comment

Jacob Wells, GiveSendGo's founder, told Insider that his team had verified the campaign for Rittenhouse and the disbursement of the funds. He said the organizer asked to remain anonymous. (

That would mean that the givesendgo account is legitimate, and that they really do want all the funds transferred to the fightback fund. If we trust Insider and Jacob Wells that is. I haven't heard about any scandals involving GiveSendGo. The little copyright notice on the site says they've been around since 2014, which is long enough for something or other to pop up.


GiveSendGo linking this campaign in a tweet

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  • make sure to specify it's for Kyle's fund
  • donate by paypal, credit card, cryptocurrency, or mail
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about FightBack

  • Just weeks before the events in Kenosha, Wood and Pierce formed the nonprofit in Texas. It was originally aimed at crowdsourcing funds to sue the “fake news media” and “check the lies of the left.” (link)

About the fund for Kyle

  • @FightBackLaw is raising money for his [Kyle's] criminal [as opposed to defamation] defense costs. (Lin Wood, twitter)

  • 501©(4) #FightBack Foundation is receiving donations for defense of Kyle Rittenhouse & needs of family. I am in charge of expenditures & 2 signatures required for all payments. Mine & Board member who was tax accountant for Ted Turner for decades. (Lin Wood twitter)

  • “There are many scam & self-serving donation sites seeking money on many issues. I am always skeptical myself. All I can tell you is the truth. Every dime donated to @FightBackLaw earmarked for Kyle will go to his defense costs. Thanks for your help. God bless you. – Lin” (link)

  • Lin Wood stated on twitter that “There will be total transparency on part of #FightBack Foundation” (tweet)

Pierce is representing Kyle

  • “The #FightBack Foundation legal team is heading out to meet with Kyle & his family. Several great local & national lawyers have joined team led by John Pierce @CaliKidJMP. Michelle Malkin @michellemalkin is also hard at work. True Patriots. Thanks you for outpouring of support.” (Lin Wood, twitter)

  • statement from Pierce Bainbridge about Kyle Rittenhouse (twitter)

  • 2nd-hand? Update Sept 17: “Kyle Rittenhouse's lawyer John Pierce tells me, “we have the entire defense team in place now, including very experienced criminal defense lawyers in Wisconsin and Illinois.” (source)

Other funding has been directed here:

  • GiveSendGo: “Wendy has instructed me to transfer the money from GiveSendGo's holding account to the #FightBack Foundation, set up by Lin Wood. All of the money donated through both their website, and this effort, will go to Kyle's defense, as it is likely to be an expensive and protracted affair.” (source, under Update #1)
  • National Foundation for Gun Rights: “The funds from NFGR will be deposited in the Kyle Rittenhouse trust fund administered by his attorney, John Pierce, and will be used at the sole discretion of Kyle Rittenhouse’s mother.” (link)

Concerns about FightBack, Lin Wood, and John Pierce (raised by attorney Robert Barnes and others)

attorney Robert Barnes (who it should be noted has some degree of negative personal history with attorney Lin Wood) raised concerns that this money may not be enough under the control of the Rittenhouse family, and that the people running might not be the ideal people to be handling funds like this in his opinion.

comments from Barnes:

  • “Easy solution: Give the \$ raised FOR Rittenhouse TO Rittenhouse, so he can pick his own defense team. John Pierce (massive \$ issues; major lawsuits; no criminal trial experience) should not be anywhere near this case, least of all near any of the \$ fundraised for the kid.” (twitter link)

  • “Neither has any known experience in criminal trials of any kind, or in Wisconsin, ever. Both are seen very negatively by key Wisconsin defense lawyers happy to help Kyle. Their actions are hurting Kyle's defense while they hoard the $ raised for him & refuse to give it to him.” (twitter)

  • Exchange b/t Barnes and Wood: Name them [Other lawyers on the legal team for Kyle]. You including the kid lawyers with no trial experience? Including Pierce, who is NOT an experienced criminal defense atty? Why won't you give the \$ raised for Rittenhouse TO Rittenhouse? Why are you giving the \$ to fraudsters? Is that your definition of “transparency”? (link)

  • For those who don't know, Wood's entire law firm had to sue him for him defrauding them (while he now raises lots of $ “for” Rittenhouse that he refuses to give to Rittenhouse). They have the proof: transcripts, recordings, texts & emails. Read the suit: (twitter)

claims Lin Wood is being intentionally deceptive with FightBack fundraising and using this as a publicity opportunity

  • “Wood and Pierce both used Kyle's name on Twitter and linked to fightback, which encouraged you to donate to their general fund, that can be used for many non-Kyle purposes. ALL this money deceptively raised should be used for Kyle.” (link)
  • LinWood is grifting the QAnons. Stop giving your money to their #FightBack “foundation”. They got plenty of money after representing Sandmann, they don’t need your money in order to help Rittenhouse. (link)

Other comments

  • anon: “You liar. The Family has stated you have not given them any money. That is fraud....” (twitter)
  • Someone: “I already was part of a successful effort make Pierce back off.” (link)
  • Call to unite: “Gentlemen: America needs BOTH of you in these desperate times. Lin @LLinWood and Robert @Barnes_Law please consider where you agree and stand together for your country. Thanks to each of you for what you have defending American heritage and liberty.” (link)

comments from Lin Wood:

  • “I am aware of accusations being made against me by @Barnes_Law & a few others. I have not lost any sleep over them. Robert is wrong. I know who I am. I know what I am doing & why I am doing it. Robert Barnes does not know me. Truth.” (twitter)
  • “I don’t know Robert Barnes personally. I do not judge him. I gave truthful explanation of “dispute” in Q & A portion of my remarks at Mercer Law School in January of this year. Please listen if you feel an explanation is needed before judging him or me." (twitter)

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For starters, money for bail:

Kyle's bail has been set to \$2 million in Wisconsin. He is being held without bail in Illinois. (non-primary source, tweet source) His extradition hearing is on Friday, Sept 25th. (source)

Known funds raised as of early Sept 20: $1,154,364 from 24,149 donations Estimated funds raised as of early Sept 20: \$1.54 million

  • $605,550 from 11,254 donations (as of Sept 1) (source)
    • estimating current funds based on GiveSendGo:
      • GiveSendGo had raised \$302,231 from a total of 7007 donors as of Aug 31 evening. (source)
      • GiveSendGo raised \$196,583 more since then, or 65% of the Aug 31 amount.
      • 65% of Sept 1 amount is \$393,607 more, bringing estimated Sept 19 amt to \$999,157
  • GiveSendGo: $498,814 from 11,895 donations (as of Sept 20) (source)
  • National Foundation for Gun Rights: $50,000+ from 1,000+ donations (as of Sept 17) (source)

Even considering that more has probably been raised at by now, Kyle's defense likely needs significantly more money, both for bail, and for legal expenses and security on top of that.

Places that are accepting donations:

Your employer may be willing to match donations if you ask, depending on your employer. may help get around controlling credit card companies.

There may be some risk involved in sending money, people were trying to dox donors to one now-closed campaign.

Places that were accepting donations:

More who have donated

  • $50,000+ from the National Foundation for Gun Rights (link)
  • $5,700 so far from College Republicans United at Arizona State University (link)


  • Sept 2 source: Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Defense Funds Have Raised Over $900,000 (link)



  • Attorney John Pierce twitter: @CaliKidJMP
  • Attorney L. Lin Wood twitter: @llinwood
    • “I represent Kyle Rittenhouse on potential defamation matters (there will be many), not as criminal defense attorney. I helped to assemble team of 5 excellent lawyers for his criminal defense. @FightBackLaw is raising money for his criminal defense costs.” (Lin Wood, twitter)
  • Wisconsin Attorney Mark Richards: joins team, profile

More info

  • Sept 5: Total fake news. Pierce Bainbridge P.C. has zero debt. I have stepped off the #FightBack board to avoid any potential conflict. Of course the firm will have to be paid for some of its work and expenses so we can keep the lights on. – John Pierce, twitter
    • Sept 5: FYI, just stepped off official #FightBack Foundation board to 100% focus on freeing Kyle and avoid any appearance of $$ conflict. All good. – John Pierce, twitter
  • Sept 1: #FightBack Foundation has engaged 4 lawyers for Kyle & will need 1 more in Illinois. All must be paid but are working at discounted rates. John Pierce @CaliKidJMP is lead attorney. Will need investigators & experts. We are going to fight hard for this boy & his family. Promise. (Lin Wood twitter)
  • Attorney Robert Barnes comments on this case on twitter


  • Extradition hearing delayed (link)


  • This is a hill to die on. Shout it from the rooftops. If ever there was a clear-cut case of a wholesome, genuine, community minded boy standing up and doing what was right despite the chance it could cost him everything, it's this. (link)
  • Shout out to Kyle Rittenhouse Parents.. How good a job must mom and dad have done to create a young man as good as Kyle Rittenhouse. (link)
  • Since Chuck Norris retired... (link)
  • Years of firearms training
  • Kyle Rittenhouse is an American Hero.
  • “Kyle Rittenhouse was cleaning up trash and carrying a medical kit. He was armed in case something like this happened. Good thing he was. He's a hero and a great kid.” (link)
  • Kyle Rittenhouse showed amazing discipline. He didn't fire until attacked and was selective when he did. Hope we could all be as cool as he was. (link)
  • First There Was the Gadsden Flag. Here's the Kenosha Flag. (link)
  • “The right to self-defense is a God-given right; and we are not going to allow a prosecutor in Kenosha, Wisconsin to take it away from Kyle Rittenhouse.” – John Pierce (link w/ img)


  • “I just felt like if I was in that situation, I would want somebody to help me out,” Gavin said. “I guess my instincts took over.” (link)

  • I wanted to come here and repost this, in response to concern by another pede that this action amounts to “political indoctrination.” I think it's really important that we all understand the distinction. (link)